DL:
Holly, it’s super exciting that we both have new books out this month. You have
NOBODY SANG LIKE KATY DID and I have RUBY STARR. I love that you have created a
book of poetry for middle grade readers. What do you enjoy most about writing
for 7-12 year old readers?
HS: It is exciting! Congrats on RUBY STARR.
I think MG readers are really our “sponge”
readers—soaking up and learning all about the world around them. It’s fantastic
how interested they are in everything; I can feel it leak through the screen
during Skypes. In the upper end of the MG readership, it also seems like
they’re really straddling the line, developing more mature, teen-like interests
but aren’t ready yet to completely ditch their interests from childhood. NOBODY
SANG LIKE KATY DID let me tap into all that: I introduce those sponge-like readers
to the villanelle, a type of formal poetry (the book as a whole is a single
poem), and I also provide visual art throughout that combines more mature
looking photography with younger-reader-style watercolor and colored pencil drawings.
I think my vision of an MG reader has also been shaped
greatly by the interactions I’ve had with students as I promoted my first MG,
THE JUNCTION OF SUNSHINE AND LUCKY. How have your own interactions with young
readers (or your own kids) changed or influenced your idea of what an MG reader
is?
DL:
I love your description of MG readers. I think they are the very best of
readers because they become invested in the stories they read. The thing I have
learned from my interactions with them and also from my daughters and their
friends is that they pay very close attention to detail. I have been asked some
very deep questions by MG readers and in most cases, they are about things
other readers have failed to pinpoint.
This always impresses me and makes me strive harder to write stories
that will give them lots to think about and discover within the pages. My main
character Ruby is one of these readers. She loves books. I have lots of things
I love about her, but my favorite thing has to be Ruby’s sense of humor. She
makes me laugh while I am writing the words down. What is your favorite thing
about NOBODY SANG LIKE KATY DID?
HS: I agree—humor is so important, especially for this
age group. (And the writing of anything humorous is just so much fun. We always
say if we’re not crying, our readers won’t be crying or emotionally involved,
either—but it’s so important to remember the same can be said for laughing!) My
favorite parts of NOBODY SANG LIKE KATY DID are the pages in the back that
guide young readers through writing their own first villanelle. It’s not a form
of poetry usually discussed in the elementary levels—it’s often not discussed
until high school, when students read Dylan Thomas’s “Do not go gentle into
that good night,” arguably the most recognizable villanelle ever written. I
love the idea of kids taking the plunge, writing formal poetry, accomplishing
something they may not have thought was even possible.
I think, though, that most writers of juvenile lit
hope their work leaves a thumbprint of some kind on their readers—what do you
hope readers take away from RUBY STARR?
DL:
I think it’s a wonderful way to end your book with inspiration for young
readers to write their own villanelle! I hope you will post some of their poems
on your blog. I can’t wait to read them. In RUBY STARR, Ruby references her
favorite books throughout the story and I hope readers will connect with her love
of books and be inspired to read more. I am also posting book club questions on
my blog for some of Ruby’s favorites and some new books so that MG readers can
start their own book clubs just like Ruby. There is a common theme in all my
books about being true to yourself and this theme is also present in Ruby’s
stories. It’s something I hope all my readers take away from my books. Here’s a
super hard question: Name your favorite middle grade book of all time. I would
have to say ISLAND OF THE BLUE DOLPHINS. I just re-read it for the book club I
am hosting on my blog and the book still touches me just as much as it did when
I first read it. I also love BLACK BEAUTY because it takes us inside the mind
of a horse and shows us the way to compassion for animals and others in a
poignant way.
HS: That’s not just hard, that’s impossible! I feel
like I have a new favorite MG book every time I pick up a new read. Having
grown up with Judy Blume and Beverly Cleary, I have to say I have a special
place in my heart for contemporary realism. I think a lot of times, authors of
juvenile lit start gravitating toward magic or supernatural or fairy tale-type
stories because it feels to us like contemporary stories of growing up have all
been done before—we feel like we’re traveling the same ground. But it’s not old
territory to our readers! They’re all living through being ten, eleven, twelve
for the first time. I think it’s still really important to give them
contemporary stories showing smart, resourceful, good-hearted peers navigating
through sticky situations, becoming the heroes of their own lives in a setting
that feels modern and real and of their own world. (The concepts in kid lit
from decades past might cover some of the same topics—friendship, divorce,
first crush, etc.—but today’s kids won’t relate as well to a book in which
characters listen to records, don’t have cell phones, there is no internet,
etc.)
I do think, too, that many writers of kid lit were
voracious readers themselves when they were young—did you have an “ah-ha!”
moment with one of those books—did a specific book make you want to become a
writer?
DL:
All you had to say was Judy Blume! She definitely influenced my love of books.
ISLAND OF THE BLUE DOLPHINS is the book that always touched my heart and made
me want to write for MG readers. A WRINKLE IN TIME is another book that opened
my eyes to possibilities and the creativity of writing. I am also a Jane Austen
fan. I have always been in awe of what all of these authors could do and the
way they could turn words into stories that would take us on journeys into our
imaginations. It took me years to be brave enough to try it myself. Did you
learn anything about the craft of writing while working on NOBODY SANG LIKE
KATY DID? This is the first time I have written a sequel, so I learned a lot
about tracking my facts.
HS: I love that I got to delve so deep into poetry
here—poetry’s an old love, and I included some poems in my first novel, A BLUE
SO DARK (YA), but this is truly my first story in verse. Really, though, the
learning curve was with the illustration. I’ve been moving into doing more and
more artwork since I started releasing my own independent work a couple of
years ago, but for NOBODY SANG LIKE KATY DID, I was responsible for everything
you see in the book—the photos, drawings, design for both the interior and the
cover. The only things I didn’t create on my own were the fonts! (Those came
from Creative Market, a great site for original commercial use fonts.) The
drawings for KATY DID were all done in traditional media—watercolor and colored
pencils. Then, I scanned the drawings and cut them out digitally using
Photoshop, combining them with photographic elements and backgrounds. I
couldn’t have done it without my Wacom drawing tablet (I use the Intuous Pro).
Even if you’re doing cover art rather than full-blown illustration, the drawing
tablet really opens you up to all sorts of new possibilities, allows you to
accomplish effects you couldn’t achieve relying solely on your mouse.
I’ve written a sequel myself, and it’s amazing how much
you forget between book #1 and book #2. How did you accomplish fact tracking?
Any tips?
DL:
I am so impressed that you created the artwork as well as the poetry. You are a
creative force! Your artwork is stunning and it goes seamlessly with the poetry.
I would imagine this was a wonderful process to create the entire project
yourself. (My teenage daughter is an artist and has the Wacom Intuous Pro
drawing tablet as well. She loves it.) For my work on RUBY, I finished editing
Book #1 and then began writing Book #2 so there wasn’t too much of a time lapse
between them. That helped a lot in terms of fact tracking. But I did create a
document for myself with important facts which was really useful. I also kept
the Book #1 manuscript on my desk while working for quick references and to
ensure continuity. It’s really wonderful to be able to revisit a character and
setting and write a new story with them. I am enjoying the process so much! I am
always so impressed that you are brave enough to jump into different genres and
you do it so successfully. What’s your secret?
HS: Just break it apart, whatever the job is. Don’t
get overwhelmed. Trying a new writing genre? Start simply—what are the main
features you HAVE to hit for a work to be considered reflective of the genre?
(For example, a romance has to have a happily ever after or at least a happy
for now ending.) Then, what are the traditional beats for that genre? (It’s
fine to play with this, but you should know what the rules are before you break
them.) From there, you can begin plotting and outlining your book, just as you
did with books in the genre you were previously writing in. Or, if you’re
moving from traditional publishing to indie pubbing: every single job an indie
author takes on can also be broken down into smaller chunks. Need to create
your first cover? A cover is, in its simplest form, an image with a title on
it. So—to start, don’t worry about anything but finding the right image: Do you
know a photographer? Will you use a stock photo? Take a photo yourself? Draw
something? Just get the image. THEN: figure out how you want to edit the photo
/ get the title on it. A ton of free resources are available (GIMP’s great for
e-book covers). Same with formatting—it can be broken into smaller jobs, too.
(I recommend Scrivener and Ed Ditto’s formatting book to get started.) I mean,
in order to write a book in the first place, you have to break it into smaller,
manageable daily chunks, right? Same with any new writing or publishing task
you’d like to take on. You’re not going to get it all done in a day; it’ll take
some herky-jerky, wonky first attempts. But you’ll get there if you just keep
at it. (And trust me—YouTube instructional videos are definitely your friend.)
What’s one job you’ve taken on in your own writing
career that you never would have thought you’d have to tackle? How’d you work
through it?
DL:
You have the best attitude. I am sure that is the single ingredient that holds
it all together for you. You see possibilities in every genre and you don’t
limit yourself. It’s really inspirational. The job that I never really thought
about before I had my first book published was the PR aspect of the job. I
thought about talking to readers and maybe speaking at a conference, but it was
the actual promotion of the book that was more of a surprise and it is the most
difficult for me. It takes time away from actually writing and also can be difficult
to accomplish, and yet, the success of the book hinges on a writer’s efforts. The
publishing house does handle some of the promotion, but only to a certain
extent. The rest is left up to the author and with social media, there is a lot
of pressure on your presence. I prefer writing to tweeting! You mentioned
Scrivener. You’re the one who convinced me to try Scrivener and now I am
completely hooked. What’s your best Scrivener tip?
HS: I love Scrivener so much. I can’t imagine writing
a book without it. I think the most useful feature is the binder—even more so
than the cork board. That binder, running along the left-hand side, tells me
where I’m at in the book every single time I sit back down to work—I’m reminded
of what chapters came before, what comes next; it really helps with pacing.
Also, it lets me easily bounce back up to a previous chapter and plug something
in (about character or plot) when I get a new idea. I’ve been relying on
split-screen with my current WIP—I have two files open, usually the chapter I’m
currently drafting and either a previous version of the chapter or a cut file,
where I can easily take out phrases or passages that don’t quite fit (but that
I still like) and store them until the exact-right place for the line comes
along.
What’s your own best Scrivener tip? What kind of WIP
do you have going in your current Scrivener file right now (what can readers
expect next)?
DL:
I love the binder, too! I have been working on an Austenesque historical and
the binder has been so helpful because I have been working a lot on Ruby. When
I come back to my historical, sometimes I need to bounce around to check things
I have already established. I also love the character sketches. I think they
are really helpful in organizing my thoughts about each character and having
them available as I write. My best Scrivener tip is to read other blogs about
Scrivener. I have learned everything from you and from other writers who have
shared their own tips for using the program. It really is an incredible tool
for writers. Up next, I will have Book #2 of RUBY STARR followed by Book #3
both of which will be new adventures in reading and in Ruby’s world.
Thanks
Holly for chatting with me today! NOBODY SANG LIKE KATY DID is available at
Amazon as an e-book or paperback. For more information about RUBY
STARR, you can go to www.deborahlytton.com.
